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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Mar 30, 2009 12:13:46 GMT 1
Seriously, are you just gonna let Track and Tianara go ahead with it? It's not like in the Skywalker game you know
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Post by Mara Jade on Mar 30, 2009 16:15:14 GMT 1
Uh, I'm well aware of that What would you have us do? use the admin hand and pull them apart?
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Mar 30, 2009 16:20:54 GMT 1
No ... *thinking* how about sending one of the Masters in before it comes too far I don't have any other suggestions, but it seems a little risky that they want to risk their own future because of their feelings for each other. And Track has already shown signs of anger, it can't end good. *and no, Naitia is at home, so it's not her that's writing *
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Post by Mara Jade on Mar 30, 2009 16:22:34 GMT 1
Really, you're being all too serious about this - it's just a game
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Mar 30, 2009 16:31:28 GMT 1
I know it's just a game but they're still a part of the Order that should say something about this
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Post by Mara Jade on Mar 30, 2009 16:44:24 GMT 1
"That should say something about this?" You lost me there
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Post by Aayla on Apr 1, 2009 19:26:48 GMT 1
Oh but they are so...cute!! It's a good thing to know, that they atleast are together "for real" in another game. I'd allways found the love stories of to jedi some of the sadest... if they choose eachother, they'll have to give up their life as jedi, and their future... if they choose to live the jedi way, they will instead have to give up their love... Sad story, but also beautiful . More of that to come, I hope I really enjoy reading.
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 1, 2009 19:33:30 GMT 1
It is going to be interesting to see what happens next, yes even though in my mind I think it's wrong, but that's just me
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Post by Aayla on Apr 1, 2009 19:50:47 GMT 1
I don't think about if it is wrong or right, I just enjoy good stories. After all, that is mostly what pbp-rpg is all about, isn't it?
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 1, 2009 20:55:15 GMT 1
Yeah, Jedi love stories are really tragic, aren't they? I'm really curious to see what'll happen to them later on And Jaina, I'm really amused - what's wrong with it, according to your mind?
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 1, 2009 21:02:04 GMT 1
Long and boring explanation. Just laugh about it
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 1, 2009 21:55:56 GMT 1
No, really, I'm serious. If you have some oppinions, why not share them with us? Might even sparkle a debate?
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Post by Bloody on Apr 1, 2009 23:22:40 GMT 1
I will share the opponion of my Fallen Jedi-character (yup, Keith, it is), who speaks the words of true wisdom... (yes, he is able to do that, too!!)
"Rules are meant to be broken. That's why rules were created in the first place."
Not all Jedi follow the Order's rules. That would be... wrong. Nothing is that perfect. Every once in a while there must be somebody to break the rules, making room for changes ;D
Am I making any sense here, or did I drink too much Irish Coffee?
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 2, 2009 9:32:53 GMT 1
Naitia asks me to say, no wonder why Keith left. But ... she doesn't know him so I don't think she should get into a fight with him Leyla has nothing to comment on apparently, even though she did leave the Order once. Well, you want my oppinion, okay. I am actually a little torned. Mostly because we know some of these love stories between jedis from EU. Some resulted in a bad conclusion, and others didn't. Track and Tianara's relationship in the Skywalker game I have nothing against. They are older there, and they know how to control their feelings when needed. My character's (at Skywalker) feelings are similar to to my own in that case. They are really cute together Their relationship is similar to Luke and Mara's, whose relationship is my example of a good conclusion with attatchments between jedis. But as I said, that is a complete different time. Order 66 has had its impact on this (in my oppinion) and by that I mean, they are more experienced as to know what not to do and learned in that way how to control their feelings, and brought it on to their relationship. As for their relationship in this game ... that is where I am really torned on what I think about. At one point, like the rest of you, I think "Awww, they're so cute". But on another point I keep thinking, they both fear to become Fallen, so why are they, sort of, falling into the trap. Already Track has shown at times, signs of anger, irritation and disappointment. It seems he's almost going down the same road as Anakin did in AOTC. And as to a contrast to the Skywalker game, they're not as experienced and they haven't been through the Order 66 so it's going to be harder for them to control their feelings, especially since their still Padawans. They can't spend every waking hours together and what if they get caught. What would they do. It is going to be interesting to see what happens next, and I am of course going to see what is going to happen. But you asked for my oppinion and now you have it. Again, I know it's a game. But I do the same kind of thinking when I'm reading FF's That's just who I am And as I said, long and boring explanation so laugh about it if you want *looking at the watch and seeing that I'm late. Bye *
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 2, 2009 18:20:10 GMT 1
well, that's exactly the point of doing this. You mention them "falling into the trap" and Track already showing signs of anger and irritation. But honestly, how many jedi have any of you heard of that were the perfect image the Jedi are trying to create? What Jedi haven't occasionally succumbed to all those feelings, they try to not feel? And that, my friends, is the point. The perfect being the Jedi want to be, do not exist. Anger, irritation, love, disappointment, sorrow, jealousy - all those feelings are part of being human, of being concious beings (and part of being pretty much any other race too, we must assume) Track and Tianara are simply being...humans...
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 13, 2009 8:48:52 GMT 1
You may have a point with that Track and Tianara being just humans. It is hard to neglect those kinds of feelings if you feel them for someone else (love that is). I'm just saying also, that maybe they should be a little more careful, instead of jumping right into the trap. I mean, if they want to stay in the Order, this doesn't really help them. There are probably some, that can detect, that there's something changed about them, when they return to the temple. Their own Masters for example. And about the "perfect image" the Jedi's trying to keep, I have a couple of examples, though they are from the Golden Age of the Stih era, where the time was different, and as far as I can see, certain feelings weren't that frowned upon back then, like love. (of course anger, frustration and etc. was still not so good) *sorry for the long wait for an answer *
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 15, 2009 17:39:20 GMT 1
And about the "perfect image" the Jedi's trying to keep, I have a couple of examples, though they are from the Golden Age of the Stih era, where the time was different, and as far as I can see, certain feelings weren't that frowned upon back then, like love. (of course anger, frustration and etc. was still not so good) I'm not quite sure I understand - you have examples of the perfect image existing? Or the opposite? And if you have some examples, why not bring them up?
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 25, 2009 21:32:08 GMT 1
And as you may have noticed, A'Lyra being kidnapped is now official news, so you're all free to play on it
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Post by Aayla on Apr 26, 2009 0:36:19 GMT 1
And as you may also have noticed, a new character has just found his way to the board! Trace is pleased to meet you all... exept maybe Varuun and his pet Drahsk (who's name I obviously can't spell..) And I've just written my first lightside character ever... I'm so proud of myself btw, I must admit that I agree with Mara in the jedi-love discussion, But that also leads me to another question that I atleast have been thinking about... the jedi code doesn't actually say anything about sex, does it? It says something about attachments, yes, but not sex in particular?
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 26, 2009 9:00:58 GMT 1
No, it doesn't directly say it's forbidden, but I would say that it goes under two of the categories of the code: Passion and emotion, since theres probably happening a lot of both during it. WP actually has an interpretation of the Jedi Code, so if anyone's interested in reading about both the interpretation of the code but also learn how the code was (before the Great Hyperspace war), is (after the Great Hyperspace war, when Odan-urr wrote a new version of it, which is the one we know today) and becomes (after Luke establishes the New Jedi Order.) then you can read about it here: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_codeNow, I've thought a lot about my answer on your request Mara. I actually have an example of both, and a third example as well: I have an example of the perfect Jedi who did nothing wrong, only wanted peice and actually mostly wanted to sit by and read his books and scrolls. This was Odan-Urr, who I mentioned before, one of the longest living Jedi ever, even older than Yoda. In 5000 BBY, when he was newly knighted, he was sent by his former Master to solve a crisis. Later events, turned to become the Great Hyperspace war, he fought but it had it loses. Odan-Urr lost his former Master, but didn't go down the Dark path, because he felt sorrow for his Master's death. After the Sith were on retreat, it was here, that he found the remains of a Sith vessel, onboard which he found the Tedryn holocron and the scroll on which the old Jedi Code was on. For 1000 years he lived in peace, during which he created the Great Jedi Library on Ossus, until the Sith war sprang out, and he was killed by Exar Kun, because Kun wanted the Holocron, that the old Master had kept for that long. My example, to who did not live that much as the perfect image of the Jedi: Ulic Qel-Droma. When his Master was killed, his emotions turned on him, and he had only one thing in mind: revenge. In the end, he turned his back on his brother and friends, to go out on his personal vendetta, which led to a duel with Exar Kun, that was stopped by a Sith spirit, that named them both Dark Lord of the Sith. This led to, that he in the end ended in a duel with his brother Cay, and Ulic killed Cay. He suffered greater concequences, and until shortly before his death, he was haunted by the ghosts of those he'd killed and was responsible for having killed. The one that helped him to redemption, was Nomi Sunrider's daughter Vima, who helped him back to the light, and even thoug he actually had no ties with the Force anymore, he became one with the Force, when he died, by the hand of one who thought it cool he'd killed the infamous Ulic Qel-Droma. My last example, my inbetween you might say, is Nomi Sunrider, which is also an example of saying: there is hope for the Fallen, and there is also hope for those, who "try their feeling out" you might say. She became a Jedi quite late. She was married to a Jedi in training and they had a daughter. Her husband, Andur, was killed while they were on the way to visit his new Master, and as an act of revenge (and the first time she actually uses both the Force and a lightsaber) she kills her husband's assaisins. She came through her sorrow, and became a great Jedi Knight. But she fell in love again, this time with Ulic. Her heart was broken, when he turned his back on them and joined the Sith. And she became even more hurt, when Ulic killed Cay. And even though he clearly showed signs of regret, Nomi punished him harder. Out of anger, she used Force Sever, and cut Ulic's ties with the Force, which she afterwards regretted a lot she did, but until just before he died, she hold him responsible everything that had happened. But she helped rebuild the Order and she learned , thanks to her daughter, to forgive Ulic. This is to make examples both on the perfect kind of Jedi, and also to show, how wrong it can go, if Jedi let their emotions take a hold of you. These three are all from the Golden Age of the Sith Era (okay, Odan-Urr is from before that as well, but he's 1000 years old ), but as I said before, the time was even more different then. Nomi can also be an example of, that relationships and having children, were not that much frowned upon then AND also the fact, that Jedi could at that time be taught when they're adults. And also as I said before, this might just be my oppinion, but you asked for it
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 26, 2009 13:10:43 GMT 1
Hm...I'm not completely sure I understand, where you're going. Whether or not this Odan-Urr were the perfect image of the Jedi, well, I don't know, as I really don't know anything at all about him. But if that's been the only perfect Jedi in 5000 years, then, maybe, they should re-evaluate how the Jedi are supposed to be. About Ulic, well, revenge and love really isn't the same thing, so I don't think you can compare what he did, to what Tianara and Track are doing now. But to cut to another point, I think something interesting has been raised, as the Code no where does mention sex as forbidden. Emotion, yes, Passion, yes. But some people see sex as a basic need. Something, you need just as much as food, water and the air you breathe. So, why shouldn't Jedi have sex?
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Post by Aayla on Apr 26, 2009 13:34:35 GMT 1
No, you said it, Mara. Revenge and love is definately not the same thing. It is a misunderstanding, I think, because many compare jedi relationships to Anakin and Padmé. But it wasn't the love for Padmé, wich lead Anakin to the dark side. It was the frustration he had kept inside him, and offcourse the influence of Palpatine, who took advantage of Anakin's insecurity. And I also dare to claim that the story of Anakin Skywalker wouldn't have turn out, as it did, if jedi were allowed to have relationships. To the sex-discussing: Exactly my point, Mara. Some does actually see sex as a basic need. Maybe they even fall to the dark side, because they are frustrated and restless? On the other hand, it would be rather heartless of the order to allow sex, but not relationships. But offcourse the best excuse for a one-night stand ever: "I'm sorry, but I'm jedi, so I can't really give you my number,..."
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Post by Dust on Apr 27, 2009 19:02:47 GMT 1
Lol... Well, that could solve the problems with too few Jedi in the galaxy... Jedi Master to padawan: "It's okay, go out and have some fun, it's been a hard day. Find some hot twi'lek or whatever... Oh, and make sure the offspring is force sensitive... I mean.. *ahem* ehh..don't get into too much trouble now, right?"
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Post by Jaina Skywalker on Apr 27, 2009 19:47:11 GMT 1
I am not suggesting that love is always the reason why people turn their back on the light side. I am saying, that feelings in general are responsible for how people react to certain things, which may be the good reason why the Code says, that there is no emotion, as well as passion. Not only because of when you fall in love with someone, but also something that Jedi would feel as soon as they fall in love with another Jedi: the fear of loosing the other person or that something might happen to them.
Some react very differently to the loss of those they care about. Some can control their feelings, yet others, when things don't go as they might have hoped, in some cases turn towards the darkness, others can't see what to do next, and disappears into ones sorrow.
And (I seem to can't help answering to this) about whether or not the jedi should have sex? Well, in my oppinion, it is hard to let people do something, that may be a natural part of life, maybe even an important need, when it goes against the ways that the Jedi Order is kept. I'm sure, that Track and Tianara won't turn to the Dark side. But the thing is, that some might not be able to control those feelings, because in some cases (yes like Anakin), it can turn to jealousy, if they are not to happy with the other speaks with too much with someone else, if they spend little time with the other person or (like Track did when Bricyl interrupted his and Tianara's moment) get upset and irritated, that they are interrupted and prohibited of being together.
That goes against how the Order is run and puts the Order in danger in many ways. If I can give an example that makes sense, if one is captured, the enemy in person is a Force sensitive, and discovers the secret and the passion that the captive share with another person, then there is a weakness.
I guess that is not something the Order wants for their representitives. It creates a big risk.
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Post by Mara Jade on Apr 29, 2009 16:50:45 GMT 1
Bloody! I hate you! Look what you're doing. Keith is totally twisting Koriana. I have no control over her anymore
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on May 11, 2009 12:02:12 GMT 1
And off the cliff went Syll'kann..
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Post by Bloody on May 11, 2009 12:22:26 GMT 1
Whoops...
*cast a glance over the edge of the cliff* Should I blame myself or Ladda for pushing him??
And Mara, I have no idea what you're talking about! Keith is just... bored.
*tries to get a location on my fallen character*
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Post by Dust on May 11, 2009 12:27:59 GMT 1
Muahaha... Looks like Ladda made a natural 20 charm roll over Syll'kann's poor will save
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on May 11, 2009 12:45:15 GMT 1
I think it's called take 20 she' been hitting those dice for a looooong time
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Post by Dust on May 11, 2009 12:52:42 GMT 1
Lol, true But Syll'kann still needs to put a few ranks in Resist Charming and Knowledge (Consequences)
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